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Re:poor sideband suppression
« Reply #15 on: 08. September 2018, 06:03:02 »

Hi Bojan,

yes of course, I have thought that there is some misunderstanding. Regarding your problem of seeing signal levels which do not exist: This cannot be changed in actual signal processing. We need the "wider window" (e.g. for auto-IQ) and there is not enough RAM on STM32F4 to divide it into different regions (one we need and one where we gain dBm display from). I am not sure this can ever be changed on F4 MCUs... If there is no very strong signal very close to the one you are listening to it doesn't matter, and reaability is much more important than very accurate level reading Most of my commercial rigs are not satisfying in this point, too. Levels of weak signals are torn down when a very big signal is close to the wanted signal...

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« Reply #16 on: 08. September 2018, 09:53:56 »

Andreas,

Just for brainstorming:
What was behind my unhappiness with your balancing the audio level to RF level, was the thought that by suppressing the "artificial birdy" in audio signal, we know (should know) the precise position on the audio frequency scale --> hence, we can use this information to calculate-back the precise position of this suppressed signal on the RF scale (IQ signal) and "repair" the data there to reflect the down the stream Hilbert audio compression. This way the spectrum could be cleared also, ... So, no big block calculation needed, but I suppose I am wrong here and such calculation is not easy or even not possible.

I said it complicated, I hope the idea can still be seen, hi. 

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« Reply #17 on: 08. September 2018, 11:03:03 »

Hi Bojan,

thanks for your brainstorming!

At the moment I am a little confused about "signals that can be seen, but not heard".

Could you explain in which circumstances you can see signals that you cannot hear? I am confused about that, because I do not encounter that on my machine.

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« Reply #18 on: 08. September 2018, 11:32:47 »

Hi Frank,

as I interpret Bojan means:

- when you apply very strong signal in USB and then switch to LSB you nearly hear NOTHING (very good sideband suppression) but you do see the signal level of the USB signal in dBm display.

If I choose magnify (other way I am not able to see it) I do see signal is outside receiving bandwidth - but dBm display does show the signal strength of the "nearby signal".

This never has bothered me and it took some time for me, too to understand but hopefully this is what Bojan is meaning.

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Re:poor sideband suppression
« Reply #19 on: 08. September 2018, 12:46:35 »

Hi both,

no, please check the two pictures of the UI scope display showing the two signals. It is not in the level of the nearby signal. It is the signal displayed inside the RX window. The very same two that exhibit -50 dBc.

The input signal is 10.100 MHz at -53 dBm.

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PS: LCD is still covered with plastic foil so the picture quality is not good.

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ok, only one picture at a time!?

EDIT2:
This signal is "you can see, but you can not hear"!
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« Reply #20 on: 08. September 2018, 12:54:58 »

What you see is an alias signal which only pops up in magnification. That is due to too low RAM and horsepower on mcHF - we cannot filter data which is needed for display in a better way. It will be gone if you choose magnification = 1.

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Re:poor sideband suppression
« Reply #21 on: 08. September 2018, 13:35:16 »

Hm, Andreas,

I think it is the same kind of signal (the same level, same bahavior) as you can see in Zoom = 1, but this time 2 x 12 kHz across. Guessing.

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« Reply #22 on: 08. September 2018, 13:53:35 »

The signal you see in magnify = 1 is the mirror which exist because of not 100% eliminated IQ misbalancing (phase and amplitude). It is always present at translated mode and is positioned 2 x Xlate in direction of the LO working frequency.

If you change magnify mode of course Xlate is not changing - so this signal stays "as it is" in magnify = 1.

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